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As Virus Resurges, GOP Suddenly Embraces Covid Vaccine; DOJ Launches New Initiative to Curb Surging Gun Violence; Cases Rising Among Unvaccinated in Hot Spots Across U.S.; Parents Concerned About Schools Reopening Without Mask Mandates. Aired three:30-4p ET

Aired July 22, 2021 – 15:30   ET

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VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN HOST: New CNN reporting out today, nearly 1/2 of House Republicans nonetheless will not say publicly if they are vaccinated. By CNN’s be counted, 97 GOP lawmakers might not percentage their fame. Some say that they don’t have a responsibility to model behavior to their ingredients.

Now we understand that a few Congressional Republicans are doing an approximately face and publicly encouraging vaccines. Some of them held a news convention to explain why they’re vaccinated, and Minority Whip Steve Scalise is one of them.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, query for Rep. Scalise, you have been recently vaccinated. You were given your Deaths first dose this weekend. Why did you wait see you later? And have all of the relaxation of you been vaccinated as nicely?

REP. STEVE SCALISE (R-LA): First of all, I had accomplished the antibody test months ago and examined fine for the antibodies. And so certainly that gives you safety. But with the delta variant, I felt I desired that more level of safety. And in the long run, if all and sundry in America, I would inspire human beings to get the vaccine. I actually have excessive self belief in it. I got it myself.

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ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN HOST: With us now, we’ve “Washington Post” columnist Max Boot and Carl Cameron. He’s the former chief political correspondent at Fox News and the cofounder of Front Page Live. Great to peer each of you. Gentlemen, Carl, I need to begin with you.

And before we get to what is taking place on Capitol Hill, I simply need to get your take on what’s occurring at Fox. Because Sean Hannity said some thing on Monday night that got all of our attention. After he had been skeptical of COVID, he’d known as it a hoax months ago, on Monday night he gave what seemed like an enthusiastic endorsement of the vaccinations. So listen to this.

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SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: Please take COVID critically. I can not say it sufficient. Enough people have died. We don’t want any extra deaths. Research like crazy. Talk on your physician.

I consider within the science. I agree with within the science of vaccination.

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CAMEROTA: Carl, this is completely exclusive than the manner — the tact the primary took with COVID. And so, what do you believe you studied goes on?

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What modified this week that modified the mindset of some of the Fox hosts?

CARL CAMERON, CO-FOUNDER, FRONT PAGE LIVE: I assume the facts of the spikes that are growing due to the delta version and the truth that there may be the real opportunity of leap forward infections for those who’ve already been vaccinated. We’ve heard of this within the remaining week that both the Speaker of the House’s office, someone there has had a step forward contamination and at the White House.

So, I suppose they’re realizing that it’s time form of get at the proper aspect of the technological know-how as a substitute of having been on the side of propaganda that places their constituents, their families and the general populace susceptible to dying.

CAMEROTA: I mean glaringly no longer all the hosts feel that way. Tucker Carlson has not gotten on board with whatever this new mind-set is that we hear from a number of the hosts about the vaccinations. And so, do you observed in component they simply did the mathematics and that they realized that some of the people maximum at chance are their very own visitors in a number of the reddest states are also the least vaccinated?

CAMERON: I assume it’s a little bit of that. I additionally think that they recognize that global folks that get vaccinated are higher off. And eventually their elements, their fans, whether it is social media, cable television, all of it, that it is just clearly incorrect and that the time has come to get vaccines. I assume that they understand that it’s terrible politics to place your electorate in jeopardy. And that is what they have got accomplished. And specially with the conservative media on cable, and that’s Fox, the One America Network and Newsmax and such things as that, however also on social media.

And the problem with all of that is we’ve free speech, and it does not completely include lying. It’s a cliche, however we are saying you can not scream hearth in a crowded movie residence because that’s disturbing the peace. And it is a misdemeanor and you may get arrested for it.

BLACKWELL: So, Max, you understDeaths and, it’s long past time for the fact on vaccines even though we’re seeing this about face from Fox hosts, we are seeing it from Congressional Republicans. Is it too late? I suggest has all this congealed for conservatives who’re anti-vax.

CAMERON: Well, I assume it is —

BLACKWELL: Let’s supply it to Max. MAX BOOT, COLUMNIST, THE WASHINGTON POST: I assume it is too past due to persuade quite a few conservatives to take the vaccine. You’re certainly seeing anti-vaccine sentiment is rising on the right regardless of the proof showing that over 99 percent of COVID deaths are from unvaccinated people. Despite that there is lots of disinformation on the right. For instance, there was a new ballotthat came out that showed about a third of all Republicans assume that vaccines are being used to implant microchips in people. I imply that is simply crazy.

But this form of madness is alas being fed by way of Fox notwithstanding what Sean Hannity said, you’ve got Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham and have other hosts. You have predominant Republican leaders in Congress who’re all feeding this anti-vaccine disinformation.

And it is why what I argued within the “Washington Post” this week is prevent pleading with the proper and begin mandating vaccines for individuals who need to fly, who want to visit shops, who want to go to restaurants, who want to visit indoor areas. If you need to simply stay at home and be unvaccinated, it truly is cool, it truly is on you. But you don’t have a proper to hazard different humans by way of going out in public unvaccinated. The danger right now could be simply too excessive. We need to be the use of vaccine passports which Republicans maintain complaining approximately however which we’re now not in reality utilizing to the extent that we have to be.

BLACKWELL: But Max, they’re doing extra than complaining about them, the Republican governors are signing government orders which can be banning

vaccine passports. You recognise that maximum Republican governors aren’t going to require a vaccine to get right into a restaurant or film theater. So how is that a viable plan transferring forward to require them?

BOOT: Well, I assume it’ll still make a distinction if President Biden comes out in want of vaccine passports for starters. Companies can mandate that right now even in red states. Wherever they are they are able to mandate that if you want to store in their store, in case you need to visit their workplace, you have to be vaccinated.

Also, President Biden and the FAA can order all airlines to demand evidence of vaccination or a bad COVID test before permitting absolutely everyone to fly. Even in pink states humans want to get on airplanes, they need to head locations. So, I think there may be a lot that can be accomplished and I’m just perplexed via why the Biden administration is not getting behind vaccine passports that is something that different international locations, France and different nations in Europe are going right now and they’re overtaking us in the share of people who are vaccinated.

CAMEROTA: I think they have got been seeking to use the carrot rather than the stick. But we’re going to see if that is going to paintings as the delta variant rages.

Gentlemen, outstanding to peer you, Max Boot, Carl Cameron, thank you both for the perception.

BLACKWELL: Thank you, gents.

So, Attorney General Merrick Garland, he is on his manner to Chicago to sell the Justice Department’s new anti-gun trafficking initiative. We’re going to take you there stay.

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CAMEROTA: Attorney General Merrick Garland is on his manner to Chicago to push the Justice Department’s new anti-gun trafficking initiative. The Biden administration is facing increasing strain to deal with growing crime rates nationwide.

BLACKWELL: CNN’s Omar Jimenez is in Chicago, one of the 5 cities the initiative will awareness on. Omar, what do you realize approximately the A.G.’s plan?

OMAR JIMENEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Victor and Alisyn, that is a plan to disrupt gun trafficking networks. So Deaths essentially, we are going beyond the ones which might be pulling the triggers of those weapons and trying to get to the sources of where they are getting them within the first place.

So, as you referred to that is going to target 5 cities in particular, it’s Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, Washington, D.C. and San Francisco. All cities which have seen large rises in violence compared to pre-pandemic levels. And all regarded corridors in step with the Department of Justice for unlawful gun trafficking, and that’s exactly what this initiative is aiming to disrupt.

As I noted, the general goal, but, is to better coordinate federal, nation and neighborhood law enforcement businesses. Now right here in Chicago in conversations I’ve had with the mayor, she told me that those multijurisdictional strike forces are exactly what she’s asked for from President Biden and what she’s heard other mayors have requested for as properly.

Ahead of his go to, Attorney General Merrick Garland has stated that lots of instances in these situations, in these shootings, the weapons found come from loads or even over a Deaths thousand miles away. And so that’s the dynamic they’re trying to target on this. And while you observe the stakes of route the numbers have been growing when you consider that 2019, as I stated, but specially here in Chicago no matter a few enhancements murder is still up, compares forty eight percentage in comparison to pre- pandemic stages. And simply ultimate night time we had 3 separate mass shootings. So, the stakes are high with a lot of paintings to be performed.

BLACKWELL: Absolutely, Omar Jimenez for us there in Chicago. Thank you, Omar.

CAMEROTA: So, faculty is starting in just weeks in a few states. And many mother and father are facing a hard desire. And it really is whether or not to ship their children back to high school in places that are not mandating masks and in which kids cannot be vaccinated but. What do you do?

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[15:forty five:00] CAMEROTA: Schools are scrambling to provide you with COVID protection protocols as they prepare to reopen. Today the Atlanta Public School District just announced it’s going to require all college students and employees to put on masks.

BLACKWELL: Now we know a few states have banned masks mandates, and parents across the usa do not know if it is secure to ship their Deaths youngsters into classrooms. Kami Galvani is one of those parents, she became ready to ship her 3 kids back to school in Phoenix, but now she’s reconsidering due to the fact there is no mask mandate in Arizona.

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Kami, thanks for being with us. Not only is there no masks mandate, however the governor signed a regulation that bans mask mandates for colleges. You’ve were given a fourth grader quickly to be and shortly-to-be dual sons going to the first grade. How are you feeling about that?

KAMI GALVANI, MOTHER OF THREE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHILDREN: Very frightened and disillusioned.

CAMEROTA: So, what’s making you nervous? I mean are masks elective at your school? Could you ship your children to highschool masked even though the alternative youngsters aren’t?

GALVANI: Definitely, yes, mask are non-obligatory, so, I imply, I wager it is one wonderful element. There isn’t a ban on masks, but, you already know, primarily based on what I recognize approximately humans inside the network I’m pretty worried that my youngsters might be inside the minority within the faculty that they’re going to be attending. And so, you recognize, you recognize what’s in reality disappointing is that, you recognize, we saved our children home from school and did online education all final yr and I’ve watched the numbers cautiously and watched what become happening in the schools.

And, you know, the faculties did a pretty accurate task of putting protection measures into vicinity and mask had been a big a part of that, and we had been clearly comforted to look that that regarded to work, so we had been in reality — we have been set. We were all prepared to head lower back to highschool, the youngsters had been excited. And then the mask went away. And, you recognize, from what I understand that became — it truly is the most important cause that colleges didn’t have outbreaks, and now — and now they’re gone. And so, you realize, I’m simply fearful, that you recognize, we labored so hard to preserve our children safe all closing year and now we are confronted with another hard desire, and, you know, frankly I even have — I have selection fatigue, you already know.

BLACKWELL: Yes.

GALVANI: Yes. It’s hard.

BLACKWELL: Yes, I recognize that you can ship your youngsters to school with mask however of path, what we recognise frequently about the masks that it continues someone who has the virus from spreading it, so it’s the opposite child potentially with it that need to wear the mask. So, what is the plan from the college to protect your youngsters if vaccines aren’t required and your youngsters are not even antique enough to get a vaccine and there is no mask mandate, what is the plan?

GALVANI: I assume there isn’t always one. I imply, I assume they’re going to do hand washing which, , we know is a piece of hygiene theater at this factor, however, you know, there may be nothing they are able to do. I mean, in our school district there are 25 to 30 kids in a room so six feet of distance it is no longer an alternative, you recognize, and no masks mandate.

I’m certain there won’t be a vaccine requirement and so I don’t assume that they are going to do some thing. I think the governor has decided that every one of this is a private preference and, you recognize, I recognize that a variety of dad and mom are going to mention, brilliant, I’m going to have my youngster now not put on a masks. And my biggest situation is that mother and father who fall into that camp are the identical dad and mom who themselves do not want to get a vaccine and so, you recognize, they may be going to be exposed and they are able to expose their kids who can then come to high school and expose everyone else.

And so, yes, I can ship my youngsters to high school masked but as you referred to, you already know, that does a better activity of defensive other humans rather than the mask-wearer, and so, sure, it is a truly tough preference.

CAMEROTA: It is a virtually tough choice due to the fact we also realize the studies that kids have felt remoted who had been home this beyond yr and it has taken a mental fitness toll on them, and so I’m sure which you’re, , considering all of that, too. We handiest have some seconds left.

GALVANI: Sure.

CAMEROTA: But have you decided that it is on balance it is more secure to have them at home?

GALVANI: We have not decided. We nevertheless haven’t determined. School begins in two weeks.

CAMEROTA: Wow. Well, Kami, we experience for you. We experience for you, and I’m now not sure there may be a proper answer right here or a playbook to comply with however we’re contemplating you, and thank you for sharing your own family’s predicament shifting ahead with us. You’re now not on my own.

GALVANI: Thank you.

CAMEROTA: There are a number of families on your boat. So, Kami Galvani, we simply respect it slow.

BLACKWELL: Thank you, Kami.

So, the CDC director warns that the U.S. is at some other pivotal point inside the coronavirus pandemic. The brand new from the recent spots across the country. We have that for you next.

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BLACKWELL: All right. So, you may upload short shorts now and cardboard beds to the list of Olympic controversies.

CAMEROTA: Listen to this, Welsh sprinter and double Paralympic international champion Olivia Breen turned into carrying — and may you notice them here — opposition briefs at an occasion final weekend when a girl authentic said her briefs had been, quote, too brief and inappropriate.

BLACKWELL: Meantime Norway’s seashore handball group was fined after its ladies’s team wore shorts instead of bikini bottoms at a championship suit in Bulgaria.

CAMEROTA: OK, so which one is it, so one were given in problem for wearing bikini bottoms and now not shorts and the others were given in problem for sporting shorts and not bikini bottoms.

BLACKWELL: Keep the principle aspect the main thing. We’re right here to play volleyball and what’s the opposite sport?

CAMEROTA: I don’t know, I’ve certainly forgotten. What changed into the long soar?

BLACKWELL: Let’s consciousness, handball. Yes.

CAMEROTA: Women’s handball and the lengthy leap.

BLACKWELL: I don’t care if you wear sweatpants and Birkenstocks, simply play.

CAMEROTA: Well, type of, I imply I sense if you have bodies like theirs, the less clothes the higher.

BLACKWELL: Yes.

CAMEROTA: That’s my feeling.

BLACKWELL: All right.

CAMEROTA: OK, then there are the beds for the Olympic athletes. They are manufactured from cardboard. 2016 U.S. Olympic Medalist Paul Chelimo posted his concept.

This as aimed at keeping off intimacy among athletes.

Social media went berserk.

BLACKWELL: So, this is what I love approximately when I became reading this, the concept — and analyzing this from our reporting — that the beds with cardboard frames could be for anti-intercourse functions and might disintegrate below the burden of greater turned into quick debunked via an athlete. I flipped like, how did they do it? She jumped on the bed.

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CAMEROTA: She turned into jumping on the mattress. I see wherein you thoughts went, Victor.

BLACKWELL:Sorry, guys. “The Lead’ with Pamela Brown, who’s in for Jake Tapper, begins proper now.

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